Posts by Klaus Vollmer

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FARTING at the meetings

by gambler in

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i'm sure you all have some good comical stories of pple farting during prayer or other quiet times during meeting.

as a personal experience of mine, the night before i had eaten a frozen pizza, doritos, and some old chocolate milk.

this combination produced the worst smelling brew i have ever had.

Klaus Vollmer

better is a sound butt
than a sick mind
leaving a fart is better
than leaving the reality

when C.T. Russell stood up 1914 on October 2nd from his breakfast table he declared The gentile time have ended.
It was fully silent in the dining room
Then he made a great, trobone-like fart and said
This is the trombone of the beginning judgement.

Rutherford stood up and tried to fart too
but his ass stood silent
Russell turned to him , declaring that
a discreete slave always has good pressure
in the tubes
and made another stinker that the crew fled to the printing machines

Later Rutherford came to Russell and asked him how could you be so sure to have that ability at the right time.

Oh my dear dont you read the bible. ancient isreal condemned the escape from egypt because they missed the onions in the wilderness.
thats my mosaic counsel: onions and garlic give you enough pressure to leave the sounds of judgement to the people.

From thereon the Bethelites cultivated onions in their wintergarden
and freddy france wrote his first booklet:

Babe Onion the Great has farted - Russsels empire strikes back

That came up to the government and led in result to the imprisonment of the leader-staff of the WTBS until they forwarded their mystery of farting

Today you find it imprinted in the uniform of the NY firemen:
Farting Department of New York (FDNY) because they are so powerfull like farting Rusell - blowing of the fire of onion roasters.

I guess this story will never end if I would not stop to write now.

fartfull greeting to the crew

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

Klaus Vollmer

In the beginning the WTS moved like a stork
within the muddy waters of religion.
Today it is like a duck, swimming within the
dirty mud of religion and policy.
The stork had long legs, which granted that the body
stayed rather clean, there was a distance to the mud.
But the legs were run shorter by all the lies
which WTS used to move in the mud.
So the bonmot is valid
"Lies have short legs".

I wonder when they will be a serpent,
creeping through their wonderworld
of shaken doctrines as the legs are to be
runned off by their intrigues.
Ugly this behavior of Volga-Villages
the front is proper - behind is
nothing than crap.
Sorry, dear gerrit loesch,
youd better go home to the Austrian alps
where you should spend your living than
in the beast s town head of an org
that changes chameleon-like its
approach.
god does not work with hat-tricks.
he has strong rules that will not be changable
by any human idiology.
take your hat and
order your ticket home.
or is your conscience already mummyfied?

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The "Flood" caused by a comet impact ...

by Mindchild in

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this article, which mentions the recent probable discovery of a comet impact crater in iraq around the time for the biblical flood, might interest some on this board.. .

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/comet_bronzeage_011113-1.html.

i personally believe the myth of a global flood is nothing more than ancient legends but then we now know that the earth is routinely blasted by fairly large asteroids and comets that can release the energy of 10 million atomic bombs and dramatically effect life on earth.

Klaus Vollmer

I could recommend to read the book "Uriels Machine", which describes exact the situation how it could happen. Beside this you read a lot about the pseudepigraphic book of Henoch.
Be aware that the people in the megalthic aera could calculate the length of earths equator exact to +/- 20 meters.
its a real exciting book

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Letter to WT

by avengers in

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below is a letter that i wrote to the dutch branch office of the watchtower.

it is in the native language.

i have not yet included a translation in english.

Klaus Vollmer

from Emmen comes the Emmentaler (cheese) and now a request for the soc.
Are you sure that they will anser you?
Better is to shoot wholes into the cheese - like the swiss people do than to force durch file and ranks for explanations :-)
tot ziens

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What the UN thing means to me

by joelbear in

i have thought from the beginning that the un thing was being way overblown in terms of importance and have said so here.. but, you know what, it is a big deal.

the watchtower society is taking the easy way out of the situation by "using" the un rather than standing firm in their beliefs and relying on jehovah for assistance.

i feel the same way about the un membership that i did about the lawsuit with swaggart and the krishnas.

Klaus Vollmer

The leaders come into the metallic age:
lead within the feet,
silver in the hair
and gold in the mouth.

and thereafter?
the melting starts

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Two sex questions

by Seeker4 in

ok, have had enough to drink tonight so i will toss these two questions out.

will discuss this a bit more tomorrow.. 1. how many of you had sex outside of your marriage after leaving the witnesses?

provide whatever details about how and why that you're comfortable with.. 2. funny question: had a friend write me today that probably more jws per capita enjoyed oral sex the night they read it was a "conscience matter" than any other group in the us.

Klaus Vollmer

seeker, ask someone who had practice in the oval office.
I guess most of JWs will have no sex beside their marriage.
But exceptions confirm the regular.
Are you on search for a Monica?

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Shunning is worse than the worst crime possible

by Richie in

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i have come to the conclusion that the shunning practices of the jw's are in fact worse than the worst crime committed.

just imagine, your own daughter shunning you, not wanting to see me or her first son (my grandson).

whenever i walk around in the village i live and i happen to encounter jw's, they don't even acknowledge that i exist at all!!.

Klaus Vollmer

let the shun shine in...

It is a great challenge for someone to make an own decision of what he believes.
That means defacto that a person who is JW decides to leave the congregation - not because he makes a distance from Jehovah or Christ - no. His conscience troubles him stying "in the truth" as the things he watches he cant accept with his cristian feeling of what is good or worse.
The elders are held to disfellowship persons who do so act.
That includes the situation that the conscience of someone is no appreciated. And where is blind faith given as doctrine in the greek scriptures?.
They want to make you accepting all things which come downstream from Brooklyn as "latest light" which someone has to obey too.
And that is something like idolatry.
The guys in the marblehouses - see the German branch - keep the same manner like the catholic church.
They demand absolute obedience and claim for themselves that they have a status like Moses had.
But if 1914 is a failure so all other things are wrong too and Christ has not approached to realize his kingdom.
So the "slave" is not throwned over the others and must be found in a good position that underscores the acceptance of Christ when he comes.
Then - yes then and not before he will be set over everything.
Today it seems more that they are doing everything to hurt the brethren. And they show ignorance to Jehovahs great vision that about the end nobody may make his calculations.
Everything into this direction went wrong in the past. No year came through and the file and rank JW was led into wrong thinking like the children from Hameln were led into the mountains by the rat-hunter in midage and disappeared forever.
Why dont they accept that a person who believes in Jehovah and his purpose does not have the right to cultivate an own faith that depends on reading the bible, studying it - also in regard to the publications of the WTBS, but finding an own standing in what he might believe.
Christian freedom includes the right to believe. And believing is something very private which can be supported by services from the organisation. But that should be done on a very carefully way and not the way which is practiced.
I make a fist in my pocket when I read in nowadays publications "that in the 20ies of the last century the brothers beleived in a pyramid story".
Why did they believe it? Because CT Russell and JF Rutherford were shaping this doctrine.
What do I learn therefrom?
Those in the ivory towers may make their teachings like they want - changing today and tomorrow - as often as it is necessary for their targets which are not open to file and ranks in the local congragation.
See the change of the blood doctrine, vaccinations, behavior in schools etc. They changed as much as they could set through. To keep the flock further on their meadow.
And now comes internet, the greates fact library in the world and takes the chainsew to devaste the fat meadows by facts.
This brings many JWs an another level of thinking. But the grwon up feeling of what is right still is in the persons.
I think that those who really make their sorrows of what is happening are no apostates or Satanlike as they want to find Jehovahs favour under circumstances which tret their conscience.
Just the UN-thing is so disgusting and devasting and a hypocrycy that you cant eat so much as you need to efract.
So I only can counsel those readers in the ivory towers to make a personal line for what is given and what should be.
I would not carry any responsibility on that thing.
I had had some dicussions with travelling overseers in europe and I know that they make the same questions regarding the personal conscience and the 1914 thing. Sure they obey their directors but they have doubts and those doubts get more and more and the facts are not so less that you can sweep them under the carpet.
There is something wrong in Danmark, spoken with Hamlets words.
And the earlier they change their behavior the better it would be to treat those believing ones.
But I guess there is less difference between the religious leaders in the days of Isaia or Christ. They see their "field" and put their own fences around. In the past aroiund the law of Moses, tody around the law of the Christ.
Back to shunning: To keep it could be given in cases where people keep their false acting - adultery and so on.
But to shun someone only because he does not believe what a lightmachine produces - that is something worse.
I think that those who use their brain, conscience and heart to set something udner question has more value than to believe everything by a blind faith. Later they can say: Lord, your slave has given us this worse food.
But the Lord would say: and why have you eaten it and kept it in your household?
So we have responsibility in everything we believe.
And somone who has doubts - there are reasons why they exist.

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We Change the Organization!

by metatron in

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who brings about moral change in the organization?.

we, who are called "apostates", "opposers" and the .

"embittered".

Klaus Vollmer

once spoke Isis to Osiris:
Egypt is in an ugly crisis
thats why we expand the templehouse
to change it to a joyful house

bring bricks an marble, also wood
the outfit must be very good
and take the women, virgins young
that they sell their hymen along

the money take for our nation
and sometimes we do make vacation
we build egypt to be great
all other things then will fade

its great this story from the past
until today it seems to last
the priests give order
ask for gold
to settle this some lies are told

the lie from a present light machine
that gives the light without benzine
its light that makes all upside down
it's light like from an evil clown

take glasses guys and safe your eyes
deny the priests
and their okay
show conscience, faith and be standfast
the truly one will have a past

no past means no future - in retrospective thinking

a poem in regard to the change

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What happened in the beginnig of the 90s?

by GermanXJW in

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in 1990 the german branch sought recognition as a public corporation.

the austrian branch did a similar thing.

in 1991 lloyd barry signed for associating as an ngo with un's pr-department.

Klaus Vollmer

Well seen German JW. Its a great fake that the German Branch is going to become a public corporation. Remeber gthey got this suggestion in the early 60ies when they drove a court case regarding taxes as they ve sold cakes and food at assemblies. The judges recommended to apply for a public corporation, but they rejected.
In this time it was when I came into contact with JWs and I remember a servant, later elder who told me, that JWs never would become liek a church , to be extortable by politicans.
I guess that later in the 80ies they recognized the advantages they would have, being a corporation: having public support, share on taxes and being enabled to work free of taxes.
I bid that when they have the status of a corporation that you will pay again for the literature, that you will get food at the assemblies and that they will get the money which is available.
There is no asking about these facts - as since the early 90ies they changed their policy - e.g. school - the children of jws might do elections or be elected.
It is a strange thing that teachings of the 70ies are now contercaried and even the blood philosophy got as change so that some fractions maight be taken.
all is to find favour in the eyes of the world.
I doubt that those in the ivory towers still have faith in Jehovah. They only see the big thing and become slayers of their brothers.
In fact, everybody who does niot agree with their worldy policy has no chance to be an accepted link of the congrgation.you are nothing, the slave is all.
Its a great thing that now by internet on global level there is an chance of information exchange. And internet teaches us a lot of things.
for example: I remember about 35 years ago the mentioning of an elderly publisher who already was persecuted by the nazis. He spoke about the declaration of 1933 Berlin - and got a "basket" from the P.O. who was present.
Last yeara I found out what it was with the declaration - meanwhile I have the whole file, inclusive the answer from the branch office.
My oppinion: it cannot be what is not allowed to be.
Something strange like the UN-thing.
Wash me but dont make me wet or like the Germans say. literally.
Holy Saint Florian - beware my house lit others on.

I am quite interested how the thread will be declared by those who have the privilegde of total rioghteous ness.
You know: § 1 They are always right; § 2 are they not right automatically § 1 is valid.

I am convinced that many of them laboring in the bethel industries are fed up of their situation as they also recognize what is wrong in Danmark. But they have nearly no chance to leave and apply for a job in the industry as jobs are rare and experience under competition is not given at the bethel.

We all recognize the decline of motivation within the congregations.
And as the fish stinks first at its head - all reasons of the present situation are based upstream.

The elders make 6 weeks holiday a year and demand from file and ranks to do more for the truth, being no example for motivation.

We are watching how a faith is substituted by blind faith and ignorance. The Talmud of the pay attention book is more valid than practical aid for the flock.

The lord Jesus would be not so far from his comments like he gave to the pharisees at his time, when he niótified that they have taken place on the chair of moses.....

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MORE MAJOR WTS UN NEWS TO BE POSTED SOON

by hawkaw in

major news folks.. i have obtained the dpi directory for 1999/2000, published by the un's dpi in 1999. i have copied 19 relevant pages of this document.

lloyd barry's name and ciro's name are both mentioned.

also it gives the criteria etc.

Klaus Vollmer

they became member to get access to the library is what they argued for their doing
comparable
I would become member of any party to get closer informations of their program or
I would become member of the catholic church to get a bible at communion or

someone who wants to drink a beer must not buy a brewery.
and a christian who wants to report about social circumstances in the world
must not be deployed by Unicef.

its all a cheap hat trick from an org that makes itsself unfailable
by its "lightmachine"
I ask myself, how long does the jar go to the spring until it breaks?

"apostates" are busy and wash the dirty truth of those with a faith monopole.

to teach water and to drink wine - its the same like in the past. theyve made a fence around the law of the christ.
but now they are bend by their own failures.
gods judgement will start at his own house.
who is not excited to see what development will come.